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Rights is progressively being undone. The first amendment, for example,
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guarantees freedom of speech, freedom of the press, the right to assemble and
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petition the government to change its policies, and separation of church and
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state. And all of these are under attack in the United States. uh freedom of
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speech is subject to censorship often now uh on behalf of a foreign
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country, Israel, if it involves the Palestinian issue. U and uh freedom of
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the press. Well, the president throws the press out of the White House and nobody does anything about it and the
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press is actually prosecuted uh for doing investigative journalism.
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the right to assemble and petition for a change in policy. Well, tell that to the students at Columbia University or
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Harvard University. And separation of church and state. Uh we have a we have a
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judiciary that is almost entirely Catholic uh and which has enforced the
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Catholic ban on uh birth control and abortions. So, this is not the secular
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state that we grew up in. Um and we have a a a situation in which uh if you
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question what is happening um let's say you you Nema you might be
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you might someday want to come to the United States uh but if you have been critical of Donald Trump
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or if said something ideological that the American state objects to you won't
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get a visa. Uh so we have a kind of le majeste le majest in Portuguese I guess
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um uh idea that if you criticize the king uh you are violating the law and
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should be subjected to um uh punishment. So there are a lot of things going on.
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Um, but I would say sum it all up by saying that the United States for its
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entire history prided itself on being an idea rather than a country defined by
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ethnicity, religion, language and so forth. I think it's very significant in this in this in this uh context that
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suddenly we've decided we need an official language English. We never had an official language. Of course,
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Americans speak English, but nobody told them that there was a law. It was not
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illegal to, uh, speak something else. Um, and so, um, the final point here is
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again to the 4th of July. The 4th of July is
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our every country needs a myth of its origin, a set of ideas that it it
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professes. uh you know so in the United States this was the Declaration of Independence and
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the Constitution and it was the idea that American
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America was not born perfect. It had terrible sins like slavery
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uh for example. It did not recognize the rights of women. But there was a sense
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that over time Americans would improve ourselves. we would aspire to be better.
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I think that's gone. And we don't even agree about what our history is anymore.
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Was America built by individuals laboring and adventuring on their own or
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was it built by slave labor? What was the answer? What's the answer? We don't agree anymore. So we've lost the unifi
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unifying um uh element of our society and we're deeply deeply polarized. Uh
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right and left hardly talk to each other and families are split much as a civil
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war splits families. So there's a lot to there was a lot to reflect on on July
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4th and much of it not good. Yeah. You you mentioned some points
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about my first question that I'm going to ask you and that how has the shift
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towards xenophobia and exclusion undermined the fun the foundational identity of the United States as an open
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idealbased societ nation. Well, I think we've certainly lost much
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of our appeal internationally. You know, we used to be a place that people not only wanted to visit but wanted to live
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in. I think most people now are afraid to come to the United States because of
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what they may encounter at the border or once they're here. And so, uh, we're,
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um, we're a place that, um, isn't very nice to live in anymore and
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that fewer and fewer people want to come to. And the implications of this run uh
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very broadly um because a great deal of our influence internationally
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came from the fact that people admired our society. They thought it was open.
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They thought it was on a course of self-improvement. And now there's no effort to be open.
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There's no effort at self-improvement. uh and uh I mentioned a lot of the
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factors uh that go into this in terms of our relations with foreigners. Uh but

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